September 19, 2019
Depression and Chronic Pain | Kati Morton

Depression and Chronic Pain | Kati Morton

Hey everybody! Today’s video is about chronic pain and depression *intro music* Now before I even get into the video, I want you to know that there are two ways that this can work. Number one being that depression itself can lead to chronic pain. You know we talked before about psychosomatic symptoms, where something that’s happening mentally for us can manifest itself physically. Like if any of you have been depressed or had a really hard time you know how mental illness can affect us physically. Meaning that we’ll be achey, we’ll be really tired, it’ll be hard to get out of bed. Not to mention any of us who have had panic attacks or anxiety. You can feel it physically, right? Our heart may be racing we may struggle to breathe fully and feel like we’re suffocating, we may be sweaty, our palms can be sweaty a lot of different things that happen to us mentally can manifest themselves physically and one of those is pain and aches, and depression can manifest itself that way. But what I want to talk more about today is the other version where because we have chronic pain, we then have depression and how those two are linked and the truth about it is, and I know this is gonna sound like a really simplistic type of video, and as always, it’s not just me sharing information for you, to you, I want you to share information with the community. Let us know in the comments how it feels for you. How this happened for you and what things you’ve done to feel better because the truth about it is, that imagine if we’re in chronic pain. A lot of people are told from doctors that they’re making it up. If they can’t find a specific trigger or reason for the pain were told that it’s not happening and that it’s psychosomatic that we’re doing in our head. Imagine how that would feel if you know you’re feeling the pain that you go to a professional to get help and you’re kind of turned away or dismissed or even worse, like made to feel embarrassed about the fact that you even went. Those are all terrible things but I’ve heard from a lot of you, that that happens a lot, it’s very common. And so that’s just one of the things I want to talk about. The other thing is the fact that if we have chronic pain, or if we have any chronic illness that can lead to a lot of different struggles. That can make it financially difficult, because trust me anything that Sean and I’ve had happened to have medically has ended up costing us quite a lot of money. Even though we have insurance it somehow doesn’t cover a certain percentage and that can be thousands and thousands of dollars and so financially it can be extremely stressful. The chronic pain can also make sleep really difficult, and I don’t think that we talked enough about how important sleep is, but it can really affect our ability to concentrate, function, have relationships, because we can be extremely irritable and it can make it hard for us to go about our day in general and for more information about sleep and the importance, I’ll link to the video I did in the description so you can learn more. Also, chronic pain can lead to difficulties at work or school. Imagine if you’re in pain constantly more days than not, how are you going to be able to do your work, either at work or school and get anything done? I know personally if I’m in any kind of pain whether it’s like a pulled muscle or if I’m extremely sick, I really cannot concentrate and I can’t get anything done and if I do it’s at a much slower pace and I would definitely be behind schedule if someone was holding you accountable to certain deadlines whether it be tests or presentations, etc. And also chronic pain can lead to a lot of different legal issues. I’ve heard from many of you that you’re working really hard to get disability or to get some of the medical issues covered because your insurance is saying they don’t, and you read through your paperwork and you realize that they should have and so legal issues can come along with this as well and back to the original point that I made, where a lot of you told me that you go to get help and you’re told that you’re making it up or that they don’t know where it’s coming from? This can lead to a lot of low self-esteem or low self-confidence. I’ve heard from many of you that going through this, and dealing with chronic pain or chronic illness, just makes us feel like shit. It makes us feel worse, it ruins our relationships because it’s hard for us to do all the things that we used to be able to do and people in our lives don’t always know how to support and they don’t always seek to understand, and in the end that can just make it feel really bad about ourselves. But luckily there are things that we can do to get better. Hooray! And the first thing I work with my clients on is grieving the loss. And I know that this sounds really silly because a lot of times people just attribute grief to when someone passes away in our life but grief can be applied to a lot of different things, and when it comes to any chronic illness or pain, I think it’s important for us to grieve the loss of what a quote, unquote, normal life look. I did a video a long time ago that i’m going to link at the end of this video as well as the description with Hank Green, talking about his chronic illness and how for him he had to put a lot of time and effort into grieving what normal was, because he had a planned life. I’m going to do this, this, this, these are the things that I’m able to do but having something like chronic pain or chronic illness can change that and something that he recommends, in the video, is that instead of focusing on the things that you can’t do, focus on the things you can and what things you want to do now and I think that that is such an amazing advice. And also, there are treatment centers that work with both. Meaning they work with the depression and they work with the chronic pain or chronic illness there are a lot of pain treatment centers out there. However I know and I’ve heard from a lot of you that they are hard to get into they can be very expensive, some don’t take insurances, there can be a lot of things going on so you may have to divide up your issues and treat them separately to get the help that you need and that could mean that you see a therapist like myself. Tah-dah! And we do talk therapy. We work on that grief process, we work on focusing on the positive and can do some CBT techniques to help challenge any of that negative or faulty thinking that we have so that we can feel and think more positively and also medication has been shown to be extremely helpful for people not only pain management medication that’s a mouthful but also SSRIs and SNRIs because at the end of the day we’re talking about depression. And if you’re wanting to look into a program they’re called “pain rehabilitation programs.” The Mayo Clinic has a great one, and they have a great website with a lot of additional information that I’ll link in the description but I would encourage you to reach out to your local hospital because many of them know which ones are available in your area and they can also refer you to pain groups. I know that sounds crazy there are a ton of groups for pain management patients, because it is so extremely difficult and it is so isolating. This helps realize that we are not alone. What we’re feeling, what we’re going through is completely normal and that there are people out there and there is help available. I think that it’s really important for us to remember that. There are tons of people, resources, professionals, out there wanting to help you get through this so that you can feel better. The overall message that I want you to hear with this video is that you’re not alone and it can get better. When it comes to chronic pain and chronic illness, I find that sometimes we have to shout to be heard but know that there are professionals out there who can help. We may just have to ask a few times to get them to hear us, to get them to give us the treatment that we need. If you’re new to my channel, click here to subscribe. I put out videos twice a week. Make sure you turn your notifications on. On the homepage is like a little bell. Ding! And you hit that bell so that you know when I put one up and you don’t miss it. And I will see you next time. Bye!

50 thoughts on “Depression and Chronic Pain | Kati Morton

  1. My pain specialist gave me a diagnosis that my family doctor won't back up, he treats me with such disrespect. I've lived in extreme pain for 18 years, and have given up on relationships. Canadian shrinks are clueless about this type of depression, I just want to finish raising my kids then I can do whatever I need to do since medics aren't helping.

  2. Great vid 1st time here. I have numerous medical issues that cause chronic pain. Except for my migraine med I don’t take any pain meds as I am allergic to pain meds. Actually had to go through DNA test to see what if any meds I can take. For pain I use s tens unit but usually burn myself from overuse
    Today When I stand up I am bent at my waist. Live alone no family and my closest friend deserted me as I was no fun to be around because of my med issues
    I see a psychologist we talk but psyche meds scare me
    So I am trying to handle a house and pets alone. I only go out to go shopping & doc appts no life whatsoever 🙁

  3. Im in Australia and I suffer from Chronic pain due to a partly severed nerve in my spine. I been 13 years searching for treatment, seen 14 general practioners 2 neuroligists, 3 pain specialists and several alternitive theripists. Ive spent tens of thousands of dollars all up in a depsperate search for a managable pain level. Instead Im stuck in bed day in and day out because even the smallest movement sends pain like bolts of lightening in my veins down my legs. Im now severely depressed to the point of suicide atttempts and still cant get the help I need on any level. Ive told my current Doctor plus hospital emergency staff and still they do nothing to help. The only councilling I was ever offered in 13 years was 6 1hr sessions with a counsellor on Neauroplasticity. I sat there being told it was all in my head and I could learn to control it. Total BS at the level of pain Im in there is no way anyone can ignore or switch off pain as described to me when its so bad you want to die. I honestly dont know what else to do or where to turn for help…I just keep getting turned away…

  4. I'm in bed all the time, and yet it's a rare occasion when I get actual good sleep. There is also a price to pay for that.. Nightmares are how I awaken each time, due to going past my medication tImes. Anxieties come with territory now also. They like to hang out with my new depressions. It's hard to remember what life was like before my Snowmobile accident back in 2013. Permanent nerve damage ain't no joke. And when my Grandma use to tell us we were getting on her nerves, I don't think she had any idea.. In all seriousness what do you all do to avoid the dark thoughts

  5. This has been helpful to me.I have chronic back pain caused by a spinal injury.I am getting a great deal of support from my doctors,but it never occurred to me that depression has been a serious side effect of my chronic pain.

  6. I suffer from three chronic illnesses and all cause chronic pain. I 100% agree that these things can lead to depression because its happening to me. I have an amazing support system however the daily pain has made it tough to look on the bright side of things.

  7. I have anxiety and depression. I've finally got it under controlled, until I was tested positive for an autoimmune disease. My mom has lupus. A diseases that attacks your kidneys, and joints. You are in constant pain everyday. From the moment you wake up till the moment you go to bed, and even then you can wake up in the night because of the pain. My mother was told from the age of 18 to 40 that she was making up, or its in her head. But she knew it was lupus. I always say that chronic pain is not a death sentence its a life sentence, I have never been normal because of my anxiety, now I have another bump in my path that I will jump over. Everyday is a battle but I'm glad I have a person that understands my pain alot better then most doctors.

  8. what she's talking about is chronic pain onset from depression but i have chronic pain from two botched hip surgeries and they put me on medications to try to manage the pain and it messes with my mental health. soooo it's the chicken or the egg sometimes and mine is the pain is actually causing the depression

  9. I’m only 26 and I do very believe I’m suffering from depression I’m always in pain barley could sleep I over think to much I’m always paranoid and even my children say I’m to paranoid and that I think to much i here and there cry a lot and not knowing exactly why am I crying feeling very down don’t have no motivation

  10. Hi well I’m confused I have panic attacks always tired and always aching my body always sore too dr. is this related to chronicle Fatigue pain? ? I’m really not sure if I have clinical fatigue

  11. Chronic pain is like a night without end,you eventually lose hope that things will ever get better.The only way out is to take back control of your own life and put your trust in a higher power.That is the only way I can get through each day.

  12. I'm finding that the medical community, our families, friends, employers, etc., just don't get how our daily lives are affected by chronic pain. I have trigeminal neuralgia (which is but one of a long list of health issues I have), and my life is HUGELY impacted by it. Even when it is just at a low ebb, I'm still in pain every day. Most of the time people don't even know I have anything wrong. Then when it flares badly, I can hardly talk, or chew food — it will literally stop me cold. The pain is so bad (it's a searing burning pain in my face and jaw) all I can do is stand or sit still and try not to cry. My doctor doesn't ask about it, my friends are aware but far away, I can't always call and if I could I can't speak anyway because the pain gets worse with talking. I wish people understood this goes WAY beyond being able to cope. I get mentally enraged at the world not understanding. And I feel alone.

  13. I shattered my ankle last April and almost lost my ankle. It became infected and was in the hospital for 4 months. When I got discharged I asked my doctor where my pain meds were and he told me to get use to the pain. If I wasn't in probation I would of knocked him out. I'm in pain 24/7 and the strongest pain meds docs prescribe me is Tylenol with codeine. It's a joke. I don't know what to do.the pain gets so bad sometimes I feel suicidal. The health system is broken and doctors don't care about us who suffer from chronic pain. They look at like drug addicts

  14. I am turning 19 this year and I’ve had a chronic tension headace for about 5-6 years.
    I went to a specialised chronic pain hospital a year ago. There, I learned for the first time that I was not imagining my pain. There were a lot of people like me and also a lot of people with much worse chronic pain (chronic migranes, cluster headaces). It was so good to finally have people believe me! Also people around me in daily life seemed to realise: “oh she’s going to a hospital. Maybe she really does have headaces”.
    But other than that, my stay at that hospital was a little dissapointing. They mostly talked about how to make life with chronic pain better (Eat well, sleep well, exercise, keep yourself distracted from the pain), theese things I was already doing. They helped a little bit but noone really talked about getting rid of the pain. I know for tension headaces it is possible. I did get amitriptyline to help my body re-build its serotonin level -> for my kind of pain, serotonin is what my body is missing to ‘filtrate’ what pain must be felt by the body, and what not. At least so I was told. (english is not my fist language, hope this makes sense)

    So the drug helped for a year (wich was great!) but my body did not start to produce enough serotonin on its own again. So after a little bit of research I am considering trying different methods. Reducing stress, mediate / yoga, doing domething creative regularily, working out a lot more…. this may sound silly but right now it’s the only idea I have left. I know I’m having too much stress in my life and this might be a way to battle that.

    Anyways, this is probably only interesting for people who are like me,
    I just want to say I do reccommend theese specialised hospitals/ therapists because they to give a lot of intformation and you meet other people who are just like you and understand your situation. But just know that the healing process is probably a lot longer than that.

  15. With the school topic, it is extremely extremely difficult to get anything done. I have missed so many days of school because of my pain. I need help out of bed pretty much everyday because of my pain. It makes me frustrated but also it makes my teachers frustrated. It is hard to communicate with teachers because my brain gets foggy which makes teachers angry. It is a hard cycle to have when I’m in my senior year of high school and I actually had to leave my school last year because of my pain. It’s very frustrating and hard to get much done

  16. Thank you for this video. I've been suffering from chronic back pain and I feel my depression increasingly difficult to manage. It's such a scary and dark place to be in and this has really helped to calm myself down.

  17. I have chronic migraines and have sciatica and arm pains. I cannot get myself together most days lately. And the depression is getting bad

  18. I need a hip and back operation and on lots of meds I can’t even leave my bed little alone my house ,NHS cutbacks mean I need to suffer ….. now after 3 years I’m stuggling with mental health issues I cry everyday and feel like I’ve been left on the scrap heap at 44 years old

  19. i have been struggling with chronic back pain for 16 years. it got worse over the years. when i was 15 it started to seriosly affect my life. i developed a strong depression. i also developed some anxiety feelings: i fear pain, because sometimes it gets worse. because i went swimming, because i went out for a walk, because i had to stand for some time. i am not able to stand for more than half an hour, so i would never never ever be able to work in a shop where you have to stand nicely. sitting is also uncomfortable. studying means pain to me. concentrating is difficult. so i procrastinate. i am 23 now and i feel like a failure because studying is so hard. waking up is so hard, everything is painful. i went to a doctor today and i will get an operation in october. i just hope the pain will end. i am so scared of pain. i am a woman and i dont want to have kids just because i know my back would hurt tremendously. whenever i look for a job i have to make sure that my body would be able to bear it. i feel like someone with a disability that no one can see. i know that many people suffer from back pain but my pain is a little bit different from the "pain" of the others. it never goes away. it never fades. it will just get worse. one intervertebrvl disc broke, it spilled and reabsorbed so that two vertebrae are scratching each other. it is ok if you are 80. not if you are a young lady. the other doctors were shocked but did NOTHING to help me. i need an operation. i do not need physiotheraphy. now i just hope that i would feel less pain.

  20. I pulled my chest cavity muscle about 10 months ago and it formed health anxiety. Everything I do like eating, doing too much with my body it freaks me out. I hurt everyday in my chest and stomach and I feel like I am slowly dying. I'm 16 years old and my parents have control over what I do. I feel stuck in life.

  21. I could have believed this before I got my brachial plexus injury….but now even if I pretend not to be in pain I always I'm in pain LMAO… Life sucks, oh well..

  22. Took me two years to get the doctors to take action and give me an mri and turns out I have slipped discs the pain is so bad most days I wish I was dead

  23. I suffer from Transverse Myelitis as well as optic nerve inflammation/swelling for the last few months. Was partially paralyzed, pass out from headaches/pain, and can no longer do anything I used to enjoy. As a highschool student who is/was a straight A student and athlete, its been hard.

  24. I had symptoms that happened when I'm in distress situation which is loud and fast heart beat , sleepiness , fatigue, nightmares, visual problem ( finding stuff in plain sight ) and cold hand ( literally )

  25. Chronic pain = depression. I’m dealing with this right now. I was in a serious car accident that has lead me to depression, loneliness, isolation, irritation, and anger. I am a nurse and have a tough time focusing. I have a lawyer. I have a pain specialist. It’s financial very expensive. I have a therapist. It’s so stressful. 😔 I started a YouTube channel because of this…

  26. Hey Katie, I’ve had depression for a few years now and for a very long time my back muscle has been very, very sore. It mainly hurts regularly when I relax my back and breathe out it aches very badly. Does that specific type of pain happen specifically due to mental illness? Btw anyone can respond

  27. I was a dumbass and signed away my rights to have my pain adequately managed in settling a debt with a clinic,…go guess what happens when I’m hurting?

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